On the 3rd of September Islington Mill art academy invited artist Andy Abbott to present an informal talk on his opinions of the current state of D I Y. Andy is based in Leeds and has been a part of the D I Y 'scene' for some time. Andy is a an artist, writer and musician and is part of 'Black Dogs' a Leeds based artist collective. Andy spoke about his history with D I Y and his current relationship to it. A few of the points Andy raised was the lo fi nature and aesthetics of D I Y, he questioned why D I Y struggles to be discussed and looked at the ethics of this. The talk managed to raise much debate, passion and questions within the group.